[posted this via NNTP first, but then realized I have no idea where that comes out now!] Returning to the JPSoft after a long absence, it appeared (though not 100% clear) that 4NT is to be replaced by TC 9. Not wanting the GUI interface, but also not wanting to have no upgrade path, I downloaded it to try. I was disappointed by how little and how awkwardly the GUI augmented the command shell, hopefully because of lack of understanding on my part of features that really do exist. In no particular order from the first hour of use: a) When I ask for a history or dir history list, I get a window. Great -- because it's much easier to resize a GUI window. Oh no -- it doesn't remember the new size the next time I invoke it. So I have to resize it every single time, or else change a config entry which would be no improvement over 4NT. b) What an unfortunate nomenclature to give an integrated product two sub-names: TC and TCC. It's as though Microsoft consistently referred the collection of features for tables in Word as "WordT", leaving the inevitable support confusion of "Did you mean Word or WordT?". c) I see fancy menus that let me do all kinds of things I would never want to do, like move a command menu so it has white space to the left. Well, that's great, because I want to expand what looks like my dirstack in a listbox, since I have looong paths that it clips. Oh no -- I can find no way to directly resize the first and most obvious thing I would want to customize on the "customizable" menus. d) Right-clicking on the dirstack listbox also offers no customizability. But it does offer both "Cut" and "Delete". How could those two things be different? I don't know, and despite the gigantic status bar at the bottom of the window, no help text appears there when I mouse over the various options. This is why I hate the idea of putting 4NT in a GUI -- because if you don't really take advantage of the GUI, then it's just a bag of visual clutter. e) The dirstack listbox is clipping my paths and is therefore pretty useless to me. I look through the options but can find no option to tell it to compress the middle out of long paths with a [...]. Even though the Folders treeview gives me tooltips to show the full name when mousing over a clipped entry, the dirstack listbox offers no such tooltips. This sure doesn't feel like a version 9 of a product, or else I'm just not the target demographic. f) There's that gigantic folder view on the left, so I decide I might as well learn to get some kind of use out of it. Obviously, right-clicking on an entry there should give me all kinds of useful options. No... that's just the same as explorer. You mean there's not even a context menu item for "CD to this directory"??? g) For a long time, I could find no real useful thing to do with the folder window at all. Then I realized you could at least drag-n-drop from it to the command window. So, to do one of the all-time most common operations (cd) visually, I have to: i) click in the command window ii) type "cd " in the command window iii) find the directory in the Folder treeview iv) drag-and-drop from the treeview to the cmd window OK, I guess you don't have to type "cd", but... I'm still scratching my head that using the GUI to change directories isn't a double-click, or at most a context menu selection. I'm starting to realize this is like two products that aren't really integrated at all. It's just like running a copy of 4NT with the window positioned over a window that contains Explorer. The two products seem to barely talk at all. h) Alright, lets copy two directory names to the command window. Oh no -- I can't, because the folder treeview only lets me select one folder at a time. How is that a feature? i) Well, maybe I've been going about it wrong. There's a context menu in the command window with an item that says "Insert Directory", so I'll try that. Geez, it doesn't even open up expanded to my current directory, but OK, I'll do 7 clicks to get in the vicinity of where I'm working. Alright, 5 minutes later I'll use that feature again and... oh my god!... it doesn't remember the previous state of the window at all! It's as bad as just having to open Explorer from scratch every single time you want to use the GUI to select a directory name! It's as though this is some kind of "Home" version of TC, and I can't find the "Power User" version anywhere. I'm just astounded. j) Hey, there's a "Go Up" button on the toolbar. That could be useful because I sure use the analogous button on my Google toolbar. And... no, it doesn't provide the drop-down list of possible parent paths that would make it truly handy. Another failure to take any advantage of the GUI possibilities. k) Boy, that's weird. All my files stopped appearing in the listview window. Where did they go? When did that happen? I can't get them back! After much long, tedious wrestling, I discover that the Filter combobox is empty, even though I had typed in a filter earlier that was still in use (and correctly preventing files from being displayed). I could not figure out what I did to make the Filter combobox stop displaying the current filter, so maybe that's just a bug. l) Because most Windows programmers stick with standard controls, even when they are horribly ill-suited to the task at hand, it's NOT surprising to me that the Folder window can't do the following things: i) "Hoist" a given directory so that it is the new pseudo-root of the tree. This ability makes it much easier to use a broad and deep tree (like the directory structure on my hard disk), since you can visually clear out most stuff that's not in the area you're currently working. The nice way to implement "hoist" is with a draggable icon, so the user can easily restore the original root, or any position between with just a click and drag operation. ii) Split into two or more windows. Combined with hoisting, this makes it much easier to work with two (or more, but usually two) widely separated positions in the tree. iii) Remember the previous state of the folder window across invocations. It is a small courtesy that users appreciate every single time they use the treeview, but since it is not a built-in feature supplied by Microsoft, few Windows programmers go to the trouble to implement it. Well, that was my first hour. Hopefully first impressions are deceiving and there is lots to love that I have not uncovered yet. But if there's a place to vote for keeping 4NT a separate product, that's where I would cast my vote today.