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More issues with NG access by email

Discussion in 'Open Forum' started by Steve Fabian, Aug 2, 2008.

  1. Steve Fabian

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    Attachments are not included in the emails received. I must use the browser
    to log in into the web forum, on a unique page, so that my saved
    username/password are not automatically entered by the browser. This makes
    it difficult to access attachments.

    Attachments should be part of the distribution. A major reason for accessing
    the NGs by email is to be able to read the NG offline.

    Responding to a poster privately is not possible with the "mail:" method.
    The only available reply type is "reply to sender", which is the NG. With
    nntp: (news:) one can either "reply to sender" or "reply to group" (ctrl-R
    and ctrl-G, resp., in Outlook Express).
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    Steve
     
  2. rconn

    rconn Administrator
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    Steve Fábián wrote:

    Definitely *not* -- do you really want to get everything that somebody
    posts as an attachment to the forum (including spam, viruses, worms, and
    some very very large screen shot jpgs)?


    That's blocked by most users, who don't want their email addresses
    publicly available.

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     
  3. DMcCunney

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    2008/8/2 Steve Fábián <>:

    I've seen debates on this in a lot of mailing lists. The problem is
    that not everyone *wants* the attachments. If they get attached to
    every outgoing post, people get them like it or not. The popular Gnu
    Mailman and Ecartis list managers both have options to strip the
    attachment and replace it with a URL to where it is stored on the
    server, so it can be grabbed by those who would like to have it.

    I have a fast (10 mbit.sec) cable modem connection, so I don't care.
    Folks on slower connections or dial-up can care a lot.


    ______
    Dennis
     
  4. Steve Fabian

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    rconn wrote:
    | Steve Fábián wrote:
    |
    |
    | ---Quote---
    || Attachments are not included in the emails received. I must use the
    || browser to log in into the web forum, on a unique page, so that my
    || saved username/password are not automatically entered by the
    || browser. This makes it difficult to access attachments.
    ||
    || Attachments should be part of the distribution. A major reason for
    || accessing the NGs by email is to be able to read the NG offline.
    | ---End Quote---
    | Definitely *not* -- do you really want to get everything that somebody
    | posts as an attachment to the forum (including spam, viruses, worms,
    | and some very very large screen shot jpgs)?

    Y E S ! I have a full-time virus scanner for protection. If the attachment
    is both large and uninteresting, I can discard it if I want to (though with
    over 200GB free I probably wouldn't), but I never see it if it stays
    web-accessible only. I probably spend no more than 5 hours a YEAR browsing
    the web (that does not include visiting weather, governmental and roadmap
    sites, which I consider as work, not browsing). When a message I received
    contains a URL, when I click on it I expect to see the item, not a forum
    log-in page.

    | ---Quote---
    || Responding to a poster privately is not possible with the "mail:"
    || method. The only available reply type is "reply to sender", which is
    || the NG. With nntp: (news one can either "reply to sender" or "reply
    || to group" (ctrl-R and ctrl-G, resp., in Outlook Express).
    | ---End Quote---
    | That's blocked by most users, who don't want their email addresses
    | publicly available.

    It should be the user's choice, not the NGs. If the poster uses a fake
    address, as many do in NGs, it will come back to me undelivered. I send
    private responses to maintain privacy, e.g., a private correction to the
    message's grammar is more polite than a public rebuke.
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    Steve
     
  5. Steve Fabian

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    DMcCunney wrote:
    | 2008/8/2 Steve Fábián <>:
    |
    |
    | ---Quote---
    || Attachments are not included in the emails received. I must use the
    || browser to log in into the web forum, on a unique page, so that my
    || saved username/password are not automatically entered by the
    || browser. This makes it difficult to access attachments.
    ||
    || Attachments should be part of the distribution. A major reason for
    || accessing the NGs by email is to be able to read the NG offline.
    | ---End Quote---
    | I've seen debates on this in a lot of mailing lists. The problem is
    | that not everyone *wants* the attachments. If they get attached to
    | every outgoing post, people get them like it or not. The popular Gnu
    | Mailman and Ecartis list managers both have options to strip the
    | attachment and replace it with a URL to where it is stored on the
    | server, so it can be grabbed by those who would like to have it.

    The jpsoft server does not deliver the true URL of the attachment. It
    directs you to the login page, where I stopped. It may take you to the
    attachment once logged in, but I never memorize my logins - they are stored
    by Firefox' password saver, which works by full URL only. For a few sites
    that FF cannot handle I use special procedures so I need remember only one
    master password. This does not work here.

    | I have a fast (10 mbit.sec) cable modem connection, so I don't care.
    | Folks on slower connections or dial-up can care a lot.

    I think the only ones who receive the complete set of NG messages by email
    are the ones who want their own copies. If you want your own copy of the
    message, wouldn't you also want your own copy of its attachments?

    The answer is truly simple: make it part of the user profile whether or not
    attachments should be included in the mail sent.

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    Steve
     
  6. rconn

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    Steve Fábián wrote:


    I'll forward that to the vBulletin authors. But don't hold your breath
    on when they might implement it!

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     
  7. Steve Fabian

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    rconn wrote:
    | Steve Fábián wrote:
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    |
    |
    | ---Quote---
    || The answer is truly simple: make it part of the user profile whether
    || or not attachments should be included in the mail sent.
    | ---End Quote---
    | I'll forward that to the vBulletin authors. But don't hold your
    | breath
    | on when they might implement it!

    Too bad it isn't one of your products, or it would happen near instantly.
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    Steve
     
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  9. Steve Fabian

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    dcohn wrote:
    | I am implementing VB and was wondering which add in you are using for
    | the email list integration.

    By VB, do you mean vBulletin? And in the sentence above, did you mean
    "add-in"?
    |
    | This is the only one I found.
    |
    | I also was wondering why there is no reply button but only a reply
    | with quote or multi quote.

    Were you attempting to ask Rex, me (Steve Fabian), or the NG readers in
    general? Are you referring to the web-mode or the email-mode? In the e-mail
    mode the options of how to answer are dependent on your mail client, not the
    NG server.
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    Steve
     
  10. rconn

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    dcohn wrote:

    Email Integration 2.6 by Cyricx.


    Not sure what you're asking here -- If you're using an email response,
    there isn't any reply button, with or without quote or multi quote.

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     

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