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Discussion in 'Support' started by vefatica, May 28, 2008.

  1. vefatica

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    Many will post code and console clips here. Since the user can't set a preference (can he?) for posting and reading in any particular font, could you make the default a monospaced font?

    I set this article to Courier New ... anxious to see if it shows up that way.


     
  2. rconn

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    It did, and it looks awful -- which is why I'm not setting the default to mono!

    The users can pick a mono font if they want to format a message in a particular way.
     
  3. vefatica

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    On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:07:40 -0500, you wrote:


    Right. And they'll have to do it every single time they post. And I suppose
    anything emailed in plain text will show up in a proportional font. And readers
    on the web have no choice at all. Do you use a proportional font when you code?

    I don't care how it looks. It should be functional.

    Using the web interface is no pleasure (though it's pretty and as you know, I
    enjoy the testing). You can't nest quotes. You can't partially quote with ease.
    You have to jump from page to page and scroll a lot. 60% of my browser's real
    estate is wasted. In the new forums, there's no NNTP at all, and emails look
    like crap. No one (least of all you) raved about sparklist but it's not even
    gone and I'm beginning to long for the good old days.

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    - Vince
     
  4. vefatica

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    Right. And they'll have to do it every single time they post. And I suppose anything emailed in plain text will show up in a proportional font. And readers have no choice at all. Do you use a proportional font when you code?

    I don't care how it looks. It should be functional.

    Using this web interface is no pleasure (though it's pretty and as you know, I enjoy the testing). You can't nest quotes. You can't partially quote with ease. You have to jump from page to page and scroll a lot. 60% of my browser's real estate is wasted. In the new forums, there's no NNTP at all, and emails look like crap.
     
  5. rconn

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    vefatica wrote:


    Only if they want to post TCC screen output, which if the past is any
    guide will be rather less than 1% of the total. And unless they're
    trying to show column output, the font type will be irrelevant.


    That's dependent on the user's email configuration. If you want
    monospace fonts, you can change your default.

    (This is no different than email or NNTP access through SparkList.)


    If the writer thinks it's important to have it monospace (nobody ever
    has before), they now have the option to do that.

    I have never seen a forum that defaulted to mono; if I ran across one I
    would run far, far away.


    This seems faintly ridiculous to me -- you haven't had mono fonts for
    the last 10 years with SparkList, and it didn't seem to bother you any.
    Why are you so disturbed about it now?


    I don't; I plan to dance on SparkList's grave!

    BTW, you couldn't do any of those things (or almost anything else) with
    SparkList's awful web interface.

    The new web interface is far better than SparkList's; the email is at
    least a tie (IMO it's better now), and the admin tools are 100 times better.

    NNTP is apparently incredibly important to 1% of the users (and was a
    hindrance to much of the remaining 99% because of their company's
    blocking it), but the fact is that NNTP is not supported in new products
    anymore. If it was available I would include it, but it's not worth my
    spending a few months writing an NNTP module for a dozen users, no
    matter how much they grumble!

    If anybody wants to write an NNTP plugin for vBulletin, I'll be happy to
    make it available for testing.

    - Rex
     
  6. vefatica

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    On Wed, 28 May 2008 23:23:36 -0500, you wrote:


    Can that default be set in the forum user's prefs? Or are you suggesting I
    start sending HTML email (something I have never done, could do, never will do).
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  7. rconn

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    vefatica wrote:


    I was talking about your email preferences on your machine, not your
    forum preferences. Outlook / OE / Thunderbird all allow you to set your
    default font for text emails.

    The new forums do allow you to specify whether you want text or html mail.

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     
  8. Timothy Byrd

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    Vince try using {CODE} tags (with square brackets instead of curly) to surround your batch text.

    For example:

    Code:
     
    set _exe=%@search[WINAMP.EXE,%ProgramFiles\Multimedia\Winamp;%ProgramFiles\Winamp]
    iff defined _exe then
        set .mp3="%_exe" /play
        setdos /x-5
    ::    alias wamp (if not isapp "%_exe" ("%_exe"%+ delay 1))%+ "%_exe" /play %%@if[%%# == 0,"%%_cwd","%%@no_trailing_slash[%%$]"]
        alias wamp (if not isapp "%_exe" ("%_exe"%+ delay 1))%+ "%_exe" /play %%@if[%%# == 0,"%%_cwd",%%@if["%%@unquote[%%1]" == "*",,"%%@no_trailing_slash[%%$]"]]
        setdos /x+5
        unset _exe
    endiff
    
    In the web interface, it's the '#' button on the toolbar.

    -- Tim
     
  9. Steve Fabian

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    I had replied by email to this post at 10:14 EDT. It has shown up neither on the web, nor reflected back to me as "instant notification". OTOH the response in this thread to another post (by timothy) emailed at 14:28 was reflected at 14:36 (8 min).
     
  10. Timothy Byrd

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    Now I'm starting to test the email interface...

    -- T

     
  11. Timothy Byrd

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    Drat! I'm reading my mail through gmail, and the board software rejects my replies. My email test will have to wait until I get home tonight.

    -- T
     
  12. rconn

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    Timothy Byrd wrote:

    Are you using profiles? The board will bounce your messages if it
    thinks you're forging the header.

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     
  13. Timothy Byrd

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    My registered email address is through pobox.com, which is just an email redirector. I forward that address to my gmail account. At work, I'm reading directly in gmail. When I reply through gmail, I think the message is marked as being from "(timothy)@gmail.com on behalf of (timothy)@pobox.com", or something similar.

    When I get home, I'll be using Thunderbird, and that will let me send the reply with a proper from address.

    -- Timothy
     
  14. Timothy Byrd

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    (trying again from home...)

    Hoping the CODE tag works from email...

    Code:
    set _exe=%@search[mac.EXE,%ProgramFiles\CD-R\Monkey's
    Audio;%ProgramFiles\Monkey's Audio;%ProgramFiles\Multimedia\Monkey's
    Audio]
    iff defined _exe then
      alias mac "%_exe"
      alias mac_d `mac %1 "%@path[%1]%@name[%1].wav" -d`
      alias mac_e `mac %1 "%@path[%1]%@name[%1].ape" -c5000`
      unset _exe
    endiff
    
    -- T

    Timothy Byrd wrote:

     
  15. Steve Fabian

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    rconn wrote:
    | vefatica wrote:
    | ---Quote---
    |||| And I suppose anything emailed in plain text will show up in a
    |||| proportional font.
    ||| ---End Quote---
    ||| That's dependent on the user's email configuration. If you want
    ||| monospace fonts, you can change your default.
    || ---End Quote---
    || Can that default be set in the forum user's prefs? Or are you
    || suggesting I start sending HTML email (something I have never done,
    || could do, never will do).
    | ---End Quote---
    | I was talking about your email preferences on your machine, not your
    | forum preferences. Outlook / OE / Thunderbird all allow you to set
    | your default font for text emails.

    In the case of OE, only for reading. I often suffer the font problem when
    replying to HTML mail. Even though I specified plain text, and the "format"
    pull-down shows I am replying in plain text, it is displayed in a
    proportional font that is smaller than my default Courier New font. However,
    that problem does not exist when I use OE to reply to "instant
    notification".

    |
    | The new forums do allow you to specify whether you want text or html
    | mail.

    When using OE to respond to an "instant notification", I run into several
    difficulties (in order of importance in my perception):


    1/ As mentioned in another thread, normal posting delay via the current
    sparklist server is a few seconds. Admittedly there have been occasions when
    the sparklist server was either down, or had other problems, resulting in
    very long delays. Similar problems occur with any server, and even with our
    own machines. Comcast's (my ISP) uunet portal was down for very long times
    recently, it did not affect email or sparklist access.

    2/ I must manually delete all the junk below the sender's signature when
    responding

    3/ I must manually convert the quoting style for doubly, triply, multiply
    quoted text to the simple style of email/nntp quoting. Above (where I did
    not convert) you see one "quote", and 3 "end quote" lines.

    4/ I cannot use the "reply to all" / "reply" choices (in OE, ^G vs. ^R) to
    select whether my response is posted for the group or sent as private mail
    to the originator of the message. Any reply is always to the group. To
    answer to the poster privately I need to dig out the address from the raw
    message - tedious but possible, unless disguised, and rarely needed.

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    Steve
     
  16. rconn

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    Steve Fábián wrote:


    I've never seen more than a 10-minute delay; but then I've never sent
    return-receipt-requested (which as I mentioned previously gets dumped
    into the spam pile.)


    Depends on which mail format you've requested. In any case, it's a
    1-second operation.


    I never do any conversion. (Not necessary for html emails; optional for
    text emails depending on how you want to format it.)


    This is user-configurable -- unless they specifically request it, their
    email addresses will not be available. (Nor, IMO, should they be -- a
    spammer could just as easily harvest the addresses.)

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     
  17. BillMc

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    On Fri 30-May-08 8:30pm -0600, rconn wrote:


    My first was over 8 hours.

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    Best regards,
    Bill
     

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