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TCC/LE bugs (also in TCMD-11)

Discussion in 'Support' started by Stefan_E, Nov 29, 2009.

  1. Stefan_E

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    I've used tc2.02 (from approx. 1999) continuously and was always very happy. Now, upgrading to Win-7, I checked again and was excited about finding JPSoft well and alive :)

    So, I quickly downloaded TCC/LE, only to find bugs I haven't seen in the last 10 years:

    • if I LIST a file and enlarge the window, the scroll region doesn't seem to adapt.
    • if I define an Output color with OPTIONS, it isn't remembered into the next session - I can only change standard color by right-clicking on the TCC icon in the upper left of the window
    • configuring another editor than Notepad doesn't seem to have an effect.
    Rex quickly replied that he can't give support for a free product - which I well understand. Unfortunately, I see the same behavior in TC-LE 11 (which seems to call TCC/LE); however I won't play too long with that as the nagging in the trial version each time on start-up hinders a decent evaluation.

    Excited about the long history :cool: - disappointed about the current status!:eek:
    Stefan
     
  2. vefatica

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    On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:58:30 -0600, Stefan_E <> wrote:

    |* if I LIST a file and enlarge the window, the scroll region doesn't seem to adapt.

    I see that in the non-lite version as well. Was it ever any different?

    |* if I define an Output color with OPTIONS, it isn't remembered into the next session - I can only change standard color by right-clicking on the TCC icon in the upper left of the window

    That's a function of the console itself (i.e., Windows). Change it once and for
    all time in the console's properties.

    |* configuring another editor than Notepad doesn't seem to have an effect.

    That works here but will be overridden by a file's association. If a file is
    associated with notepad, you get notepad.
    --
    - Vince
     
  3. drrob1

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    download and try tcmd 11 (not LE). I haven't and any problems in the
    full tcmd products.

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  4. Stefan_E

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    ... that´s what I did: Exactly the same behavior.

    Stefan
     
  5. Stefan_E

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    ... so? A bug which was always there is no bug?

    yes... works for TCC-LE; for the nag version (sorry, TCMD), there seems to be no ´Color´tab in the console properties.

    Nope: In Explorer, double-clicking an .ini file opens Ultraedit for me; LISTing the .ini file and pressing e still calls Notepad. LISTing an .exe somehow calls Ultraedit though ...

    Stefan
     
  6. rconn

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    Not a bug -- Windows doesn't notify console windows when the size changes.
    TCC & 4NT & 4DOS have always behaved this way.

    Rex Conn
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  7. rconn

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    WAD - Output color doesn't reset the default console attributes unless you
    do a CLS (or a reset to default escape sequence if ANSI is enabled).


    WAD - the first thing that TCC tries is the "edit" verb for the specified
    file type. If that fails, then it will try the specified editor name; if
    that fails, it tries notepad.exe.


    It would be really surprising if you saw anything different; TCC/LE is the
    default console for Take Command/LE.


    There is only a delay on starting Take Command trial versions, not TCC or
    TCC/LE. And there isn't any reason to continually start Take Command
    sessions; normally you'd start one and run multiple tabs in it for days.

    Rex Conn
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  8. Stefan_E

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    Well, to paraphrase an ex-US president, that depends on the definition of "always": This about.jpg handles it correctly to this day on my XP machine! (and, b.d.w., has a richer LIST implementation: list.jpg - that's how great it once was!

    Stefan
     
  9. Charles Dye

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    Take Command v2 was very nice, but it was not a console program....
     
  10. Stefan_E

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    ... so what exactly is an .ini file good for if I first need type CLS?

    I don't know what the "edit" verb is. But - check out the help file: "Edit the file with the editor associated with that filetype. If there is no association, List will use the editor defined in the Editor configuration option." So:

    • I have associated with Ultraedit (else, why would an .ini open with Ultraedit when double-clicking in Windows Explorer)
    • If it wasn't associated, it should call what is in the Editor config option.
    So... two reasons I shouldn't see Notepad.... but I still do!

    Agree... but you wrote by eMail:

    Next:
    ... unless it crashes (which happend twice during test on Windows 7, but never in the last 10 years on v2.02B) or if you try to get sense out of .ini files.

    Stefan
     
  11. Stefan_E

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    Hi Charles,
    that may be... to be honest, I'm not deep enough into the issue to tell the difference :o So, thanks for the explanation - assuming that to quite some people here a console gives advantages I take that as an very valid explanation.

    Stefan
     
  12. rconn

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    You're comparing a GUI app (which does get size notifications) with console
    apps (which do not).

    Rex Conn
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  13. Charles Dye

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    TCC is ? despite the name ? more like 4NT or CMD.EXE than (pre-v9 versions of) Take Command, in that it's a console app rather than a GUI app.

    If I recall correctly, Rex made the change because because many users wanted a tabbed, Firefox-like interface. For some reason, he found it simpler to create a tabbed interface for multiple consoles than to adapt (i.e. totally rewrite) Take Command to support multiple tabs.
     
  14. rconn

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    You've associated "open" with Ultraedit, but "edit" is still associated (in
    Windows) with Notepad.

    Try right-clicking on an .ini in Explorer, and select "edit".


    You haven't reported any crashes.

    Rex Conn
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  15. Stefan_E

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    Unfortunately, not reproducible, upon exiting TCC:

    Problem signature:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application Name: tcmd.exe
    Application Version: 11.0.0.34
    Application Timestamp: 4b0b6982
    Fault Module Name: tcmd.exe
    Fault Module Version: 11.0.0.34
    Fault Module Timestamp: 4b0b6982
    Exception Code: c0000005
    Exception Offset: 00011943
    OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3
    Locale ID: 1033
    Additional Information 1: c950
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    Additional Information 4: 2e54232d9928a3ebb771f3484eed3d3d

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  16. Stefan_E

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    TCC/LE ended it´s life on my computer today after I couldn´t get CDD to work under Win-7. (jpstree.idx was correctly created - just it wouldn´t find any directories... :()

    Re-installed the 10 year old TakeCommand/32, v. 2.02 which works perfectly.
    Such is progress!

    Stefan
     
  17. drrob1

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    You are unfairly comparing apples and oranges. TakeCommand/32 is a gui
    ap, and one you bought. Despite your purchase nearly 10 years ago, you
    can still get support for your purchase.

    TCC/LE is a console ap. It is free and user supported. Completely
    different.

    I myself was partial to the GUI product and I still use tcmd 7. The
    versions of tcmd >= 9 are really a different product that is a
    combination of the console app formerly know as 4NT and an enhanced
    version of a product JPSoft called TCI. I now use tcmd 11 a lot.

    There are not a lot of software programs that are as old as tcmd 2 that
    still run well. That is a testament to the quality and usefulness of
    their products.

    I certainly don't still use any computers that are as old as tcmd v2

    You are probably eligible for upgrade pricing for tcmd 11. I have
    noticed that attached console windows behave differently than detached
    ones. For example, I can easily resize the attached windows to be as
    large as I want. I cannot resize the detached ones; I read here that
    the size of the detached ones depends on the console font and I am NOT
    playing w/ that.

    YMMV

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  18. rconn

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    Extended directory searches are not enabled by default; you have to enable
    them in OPTION / Command Line.

    Rex Conn
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  19. drrob1

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    You are unfairly comparing apples and oranges. TakeCommand/32 is a gui

    ap, and one you bought. Despite your purchase nearly 10 years ago, you
    can still get support for your purchase.

    TCC/LE is a console ap. It is free and user supported. Completely
    different.

    I myself was partial to the GUI product and I still use tcmd 7. The
    versions of tcmd >= 9 are really a different product that is a
    combination of the console app formerly know as 4NT and an enhanced
    version of a product JPSoft called TCI. I now use tcmd 11 a lot.

    There are not a lot of software programs that are as old as tcmd 2 that
    still run well. That is a testament to the quality and usefulness of
    their products.

    I certainly don't still use any computers that are as old as tcmd v2

    You are probably eligible for upgrade pricing for tcmd 11. I have
    noticed that attached console windows behave differently than detached
    ones. For example, I can easily resize the attached windows to be as
    large as I want. I cannot resize the detached ones; I read here that
    the size of the detached ones depends on the console font and I am NOT
    playing w/ that.

    YMMV

    Stefan_E wrote:

    > TCC/LE ended it´s life on my computer today after I couldn´t get CDD to work under Win-7. (jpstree.idx was correctly created - just it wouldn´t find any directories... :()
    >
    > Re-installed the 10 year old TakeCommand/32, v. 2.02 which works perfectly.
    > Such is progress!
    >
    > Stefan
     
  20. rconn

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    Resizing detached consoles is up to Windows; TCC (or any other console app)
    doesn't have any control over that.

    Rex Conn
    JP Software
     
  21. thedave

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    On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:42:32 -0600, rconn <> was
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    How about when TCC is under TC, couldn't TC pass a hint to TCC that the
    window was resized for views like LIST that could take advantage of it?
     
  22. Stefan_E

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    I do more than 100% support this statement! Indeed, 10 years ago, this was 'good stuff' - that it still works now makes it 'great stuff'! Example: v2 even allowed to place jpstree.idx at a selected location - little need then, essential now!


    :):):)


    Well... it appears that I missed my chance of reviewing (and potentially upgrading to) the last GUI version of TC/32. :mad:


    Actually, at some point, I was quite prepared to purchase TCMD-11 (and wouldn't even have thougth that I could still upgrade...): It would make as a handy explorer replacement with a much denser layout than the dreaded win-7 explorer. ... until I figured that I could copy files with drag-and-drop, but not move... Sad.

    Stefan
     

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